Question:
Using C.R.O. to Measure Voltage?
Leong
2014-08-08 20:28:56 UTC
I'm currently learning about the advantages of using a C.R.O. to measure potential difference.

One part I don't really understand is:
The resistance between the X-plates and Y-plates is nearly infinite, therefore the current in the C.R.O. is negligible.

My question is: Why is the resistance is nearly infinite? Why is the current negligible?
Six answers:
Ecko
2014-08-09 04:47:36 UTC
About the cathode ray tube used...

It uses electrostatic deflection of the electron beam, which passes between the deflection plates. Normal there are 2 x 'X' plates for horizontal deflection and 2 x 'Y' plates for vertical deflection. The voltage is applied across them, moves (deflects) the electron beam, proportional to the voltage. There is no connection between the plates except a small capacitance. The parts are all in a high vacuum, and the only connection that could cause current is if the electron beam hits one of the plates. There would be a small current whenever the voltage changes due to the capacitance. Note the electron beam is probably only a mm or so diameter. The deflection plates are probably 5 or 10mm either side of it.

http://www.circuitstoday.com/crt-cathode-ray-tube



In practice driving the deflection plates directly is very inconvenient, because the voltage for deflection is significant, and the sensitivity and position need to be adjusted to understand the resulting deflection. Additional components and bias voltages are required. Note the voltage is differential, the difference between the opposite pair of plates. Modern oscilloscopes do not have a direct external connection for the deflection plates.



An amplifier is used to drive the deflection plates, with the various positioning voltages added. The gain is known and can be adjusted so the deflection is proportional to voltage. The signal input of the amplifier is usually reference to ground on one side, and the input resistance is usually one megohm. This resistance does not change at different gain settings. A "probe" is used to connect to the circuit, which is designed to work over a broad frequency range like the oscilloscope itself. For most situations 1 megohm is likely to change the voltage being measured, so a divide by 10 passive probe is used for most measurements, that makes the input resistance 10 megohms, but reduces the voltage by 10. This is usually sufficiently accurate. More importantly the probe reduces the input capacitance by 10 too, so that the disturbance to the electronic circuit being observed is minimized. The input capacitance might be 20-100pF, depending on just how well designed the circuitry is. With the divide by 10 probe it is then 2-10pF across the circuit being measured, usually acceptable. Note that the reactance of a capacitor of 10pF at 20MHz is only 796 ohms. There are active probes with much less capacitance (0.2pF) but these are quite expensive and have a limited voltage range.



This link explains all about passive probes. Note there is a compensation adjustment, which is set correctly using a square wave signal provided by the oscilloscope for the purpose.

http://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=7&ved=0CGkQFjAG&url=http%3A%2F%2Fcircuitslab.case.edu%2Fmanuals%2FProbe_Fundamentals-_Tektronix.pdf&ei=RQnmU_7jGIve8AWu1YDgDg&usg=AFQjCNHgJaRqGDaezXk0A-2TqybhN8XLeg&sig2=7pPL0y13rVWI40Fu-4z30A&bvm=bv.72676100,d.cGU



The advantage compared to a voltmeter is that the waveform can be shown. A modern voltmeter can have a much higher input resistance, can be connected across two points in a circuit, and is probably more accurate, but the oscilloscope can measure much higher frequencies, show the shape of a waveform, and observe events. Note that most modern oscilloscopes do not use a CRT any longer. They are called digital oscilloscopes, and are wholly electronic, with a computer type display. However the input circuit and even the probes are very similar.
Colin
2014-08-08 23:56:08 UTC
Like a good voltmeter, a good CRO has a very high input resistance. As veeyesvee says, if the resistance isn't high, the CRO or voltmeter draws current, and acts as a potential divider if the source itself has an internal resistance.



But be aware that when you connect a signal to a CRO, it doesn't go directly to the deflection plates, but to amplifying circuitry which drives the deflection plates. Yes, the resistance between the deflection plates is very high, but what matters is the input resistance of the amplifier between the input socket and the deflection plates.
veeyesvee
2014-08-08 22:55:52 UTC
voltmeters should ideally have infinite resistance and current meters should have zero resistance. Surely if there is some current say 1 amp in a circuit, and you place the current meter in series, you do not want the current to reduce to say .98?? Similarly voltage sources that you measure with voltmeters have an internal resistance. as for example if you divide 10v to 5v using two 1 meg resistors. When you measure the 5V resulting, if voltmeter has even a resistance of 10 meg, the reading you get will be 5% lesser than 5V.
?
2014-08-09 15:39:30 UTC
It has been answered as to why they have high impedance, so I will take on your update question.



One advantage of an oscilloscope over a voltmeter is you can see the shape of the waveform. There are many waveforms which could have the same average (RMS) voltage but look quite differently. A square wave or sine wave or maybe even a clipped sine, indicating that the circuit has oversaturated its design specs.



Also you could have something like a square or other rippling wave which would have a DC average, but in fact are oscillating between two voltages.



Another reason to use an oscilloscope is to determine the frequency of a wave, by measuring the time (period) between two identical points of repeating waveforms.



I will give one more. If you are comparing signals in different parts of a circuit, it is possible that they are not in phase but one leads or lags the other by a portion of a wavelength (phase shift).
?
2014-08-08 20:49:50 UTC
Because the plates are relatively far apart in the vacuum of the CRO, and the voltage between the plates is low , very few electrons can travel from one plate to the other. Thus, because R=V/I, and I (the current) is so small, resistance R is correspondingly very high, almost infinite. The electron beam is deflected by the electrostatic field between the plates caused by the difference in voltage on one plate versus the other plate.
?
2014-08-08 20:48:49 UTC
There is essentially a vacuum between the plates. The current is very low, because the resistance is very large.


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